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The Worm Hole Podcast Episode 80: Elissa Soave (Ginger And Me)

Charlie and Elissa Soave (Ginger And Me) discuss including the working class in fiction, writing about neuro-divergence without labels, and social care and society in context. We also touch on Elissa’s Greggs habit, writing about her home town, and why her editor told her ‘this is not Reservoir Dogs…’

Please note that there is a mild swear word in this episode.

The Primadonna Prize
Laura Pearson’s episode was number 11
Kazuo Ishiguru’s Nobel Prize speech
Gail Honeyman’s Eleanor Oliphant Is Completely Fine

Release details: recorded 13th June 2023; published 14th August 2023

Where to find Elissa online: Twitter

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01:27 The starting point for Ginger And Me and discussing ‘difference’ of personality and labels
09:36 The people on the bus and exploring the lives of the working class
13:49 Ginger
15:21 Diane
17:13 Friendship and loneliness
20:23 The writing group
24:20 Uddingston
27:44 The importance of food in the novel
29:17 Wendy’s parents
32:14 Social care in the book and our society
36:24 Ginger’s death
40:56 Wendy not changing at the end (and including Ali Smith!)
43:53 What’s next


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